Saturday, February 26, 2005

Anyone want to go to Outer Space?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/24/un.population/index.html

We might just have to. 2.6 billion people increase in 50 years. That's insane. Just about as insane as our national debt going up by the billions each day.

For that website, go to http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Interesting stuff. Yes, Sarah, I have yet to post a long, serious post. But then again, this is serious, and the numbers are long, too long.

15 comments:

Sarah said...

Um Tom I did not read the links, but I think that what the article is saying is that the earth has too many people on it. I totally dissagree. I am not joking or trying to start an argument. People are always talking about how americans are so wastful and all that stuff. But what they don't realize is that modern farming methods have drasticaly increased the output of farms. It is the third world countrys that don't have enough food because their farming methods are so primitive. What I mean is that the earth is not over peopled. We would have enough food, but the stupid third world governments are corrupt. Anyway this might not be what the post was even aimed at so I'll shut up.
And "brillig" means Four o'clock in the afternoon or "Tea time"

Tom said...

But do we have enough land to support them? Look at China and India. Japan, has a big population for a small part of just islands.

Sarah said...

Yes we have enough land. There was a study done in the late eighties/early ninties that showed that the earth's population at that time could have all been housed in relative comfort in the state of Texas. I'm not sure how correct that study was but think about it. Asian countries are probably some of the most populated countries in the world, but in other places in the world, like here for example, are not so populated. I would look up some studies that are from a pro-life stand point, you don't have to beleive them, but at least you're getting both sides of the story.

Sarah said...

ignore the many typos I am in a hurry.

Tom said...

I know abortion is wrong.

Sarah said...

I know Tom, but how else would you suggest dealing with an imaginary or unimaginary over population problem. I think that abortion is wrong and that the overpopulation thing is a crock. The two are connected, who do you think supports this kind of stuff? Who else but the pro-abortion people.

Jenn said...

saying that the population could fit in texas is rediculous. and the over population problem isnt about having enough room for people to live it is about resources. and saying that there is a population problem doesnt make u for abortions. and ben, population control isnt evil, abortion is evil. and tom, actually something completely different going on in japan about people not having children. the average age of people in japan is going sky high because young women aren't getting married and settling down with children they are waiting and having carears. in america we see open fields and think there's lots of room but whats in those fields? crops, crops for people and animals that are all over the world. food for other countries that have used their farmland for housing, ruined it completely, or didnt have enough to begin with. over population is a problem, but it is one that will find its own solution. it might get worse before it gets better but God will take care of it.

Tom said...

Jennifer is just ripping on people today. At least, she is somewhat on my side.

Correct me if I am wrong, but 6.5 billion people divided by 261,914 square miles (the total land area of Texas) is 24,817 people per square mile. I don't think I would be comfortable living with that many people in a square mile. I am sorry to say this but eventually, India and China will run out of room. Unless something miraclerously happens.

Jenn said...

i'm not ripping on people tom. i m giving my opinion. an opinion that differs from sarah and ben's.

Sarah said...

Actually the study ( or whatever you want to call it) was done in 1984. The worlds population at that time was about 4,773,566,800. The land area of texas is 261,914 sq miles. That is about 18,225 people per sq mile. The most densely populated country is Monaco which has about 32,000 people. Monaco is only 3/4 of a square mile. Anyway it would have been crowded, but not impossible. And what do you suggest that we do about the population? If abortion is wrong, should we all only have 1.2 kids?

Sarah said...

and when you look at the way space is managed in China, most people live in the cities, the ( I think it's the western part) is not so densely populated.

Sarah said...

4,769,886,824 is another number I found for the world population for 1894. I wasn't sure which was right so I used the bigger number.

Jenn said...

ok, what i said was that space wasnt the exact problem, its the resources. and dont u think there is a reason y people dont live in some paces? like mountains and deserts??? and yeah, maybe people should have less children. in poorer countries the people cant even support their families (some people even in our country). i m not saying that there should be a limit or soemthing but people shoudl use their brains more. i know that we should put faith in God to give us the number of children we shoudl have but he also gave us brains. there is nothing wrong with not having a lot of kids. with the advancements in technology people aren't dying liek they used to and more babies are being born that wouldnt have been (invetro etc.). yes in some highly developed country (like in europe) the population is going down, but in many developing countries the population is booming.
and Ben, i seriously cant believe u said that population control is evil, i thought u were smarter than that. what do u think waiting until marraige is about? if people had sex willy nilly (like many people do) without protectiong(tha ti m not saying is good) there would be many more children then there are now. and woudl that be good??? children are blessings but their parents need to be able to take care of them. people in developing countries dont ahve the ability to take came of the number of children they are having. and now with AIDS there are millions of orphans with no1 to take care of them. ben, doesnt bono teach you about population problems??

Sarah said...

Ok there is an argument going on about the economic idea that we only have a certian amount of resources. There are two, and probably more, schools of thought on this. There is one that says basically that we are on a sinking life boat and have a limited amount of resources, and will probably run out soon. The other school of thought is more complicated and I don't have the brain or the space to explain it. What I am trying to say is that there is more than one position on these issues and it would be good if people were a little more open minded on these issues. And I do agree with you Jen that not all people are called to have big families, probably most aren't, that's not my issue, I just get annoyed with people who think that no one should have big families and anyone who does is a creep who is over populating the world.

Jenn said...

i know its a complicated issue and there are more than two sides.. i think i m on one of the middle sides (if that makes sense). i dont feel like thinking tho, i m tired, sick, and over stressed.. so i'm not saying n e more (right now).